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July 16, 2009

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cheripicker

The Central Budget Office is one of the few trustworthy informational sources left in Washington. Here's its take, released today, on Obamacare. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html?hpid=topnews

"Congress's chief budget analyst delivered a devastating assessment yesterday of the health-care proposals drafted by congressional Democrats. His remarks suggested that rather than averting a looming fiscal crisis, the measures could make the nation's bleak budget outlook even worse. Elmendorf's blunt language startled lawmakers racing to meet Obama's deadline for approving a bill by the August break. The CBO is the official arbiter of the cost of legislation."

Joe Guarino

Cheripicker, this almost confirms what many of us in the conservative blogosphere have been saying locally for quite some time. Our nation is in a state of severe indebtedness; and this problem will worsen in the not-too-distant future because of unfunded liabilities under Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and the like-- to the tune of about $83 trillion. We have all the preexisting federal debt, and the amassing new debt because of the stimulus packages and bailouts.

The additional debt attributed to health care reform would only make the situation worse. And jacking up taxes to pay for health care reform would be very counterproductive because of all the other structural problems we have economically.

It would make more sense, instead, for the Congressional Democrats to instead begin tackling the problem of entitlements.

cheripicker

" 'I'm going to really put you on the spot," Conrad said. "From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?' "

Elmendorf responded: "No, Mr. Chairman."

And what is the take-home message to be gained from this assessment by the democrat chairs of the Finance and Budget committees, Baucus and Conrad, that just maybe we can’t afford another major entitlement right now? No, it’s tax, tax, tax…

Joe Guarino

I think we need to remain mindful that, when new entitlements are created, the true costs often exceed the projections dramatically.

There was a political effort to make it appear as if we were creating some kind of utopia by working toward universal coverage. But doing so would require that we fail to consider all the downsides and drawbacks and unintended consequences-- particularly at this moment in our nation's history.

Everest

Joe - there is a great editorial in the Wall Street Journal this morning about this health care plan. And conservative Democrats are like rats fleeing a sinking ship on this plan - once the House plan to pay for this was released, and it appeared that people were going to have a chance to actually READ this plan, things changed dramatically...there's hope still on this Joe!

Joe Guarino

Everest, the question is how hard the party discipline will come crashing down; and whether Obama and the Congressional leadership will make compromises if they are necessary to get a bill that will pass.

Stormy

As troubling as the cost of this "reform" is, it's the details of what the program will actually do to us, the "middle class", (as Nancy Pelosi says it is for). ("It is pretty exciting. It is pretty exciting for us. That this is health care reform for the middle class is really important for everyone to know, that when this bill passes shortly thereafter, pre-existing medical conditions will no longer bar people from having health care..) Consider this from the New York Post story:

" One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

"This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues?"

For those of us in Nancy Pelosi's "middle class" Granny will need to get more comfortable with going to a hospice than a hospital next time. But, I am sure she wil not see Nancy Pelosi there, when she does, as I am sure she will keep her medical plan for the rich.

cpa101

It is too bad that they don't actually get some economists to find the true root of what makes health care costs increase so dramatically and find a way to address the issues. I think the fact that we do have insurance that covers so much is a factor. You wind up using it more and are not able to see what you are paying for a service. I liken it to taking your car to be repaired and you only have to pay $25 no matter what. Are you really going to be concerned with what that new transmission costs.

I have also been disturbed by all the tests some doctors make you go through to "eliminate any doubts". Do you really have to have a $2,000 MRI or CT scan for everything. My daughter got stiches in her head after falling down and they ordered one. Why did they not give us some things to look out for and follow up the next day instead of having our insurance charged for an MRI? I guess the hospital has to pay for that thing somehow.

Joe Guarino

Stormy, what you are describing is a prime example of why health care reform should not proceed. Government should not be making life-or-death decisions regarding when people should receive care, and when they should not. And it should not be setting up faux-independent bodies to do so. It needs to be doctors working with families and patients who feel a substantial degree of financial responsibility for the decisions they make-- and who should not feel free to spend money thoughtlessly because other parties are picking up the tab. It also needs to be insurers those patients and families have freely chosen, not the government.

cpa, I agree. Part of the issue is the legal environment and the fear of malpractice suits. But a big part of the problem is also the way insurance is done in the United States-- third party, first dollar. We need to fix the way insurance is done to control costs better.

Stormy

The next horror that we are learning in the health care bill, trying to be rammed through Congress before we find out what is in it, is a mandate that all health insurance plans, private or public, must provide coverage for abortion. And, any employer who wants to buy a plan without abortion coverage must pay an extra prremium of 2%-8%. Is this the change that we can believe in that we were promised?

Stormy

So, Obama says that they are going to pay for the health insurance bill by squeezing costs out of the system. But, if they start paying for new procedures such as abortions routinely, how is it that they can reduce costs? And, how is it that an employer must pay more for not having additional coverage? Have we passed through a worm hole into a parallel universe where things are illogical are now logical? Mr. Spock is confused.

Bubba

And yet even today, we get this from Obama Magnus:

"Obama rejected the criticism out of hand.

" 'Now, we know there are those who will oppose reform no matter what,' Obama said.

'We know the same special interests and their agents in Congress will make the same old arguments and use the same scare tactics that have stopped reform before because they profit from this relentless escalation in health care costs.'"

He's either incredibly stupid, or an incredible liar. Possibly both.

There's no other explanation.

Jeffrey Sykes

Folks: I think this bill can be stopped in the Senate, that is if it gets out of the house committees.

If you would help spread the word about the petition to Kay Hagan, and I mean really spread the word for the next two or three weeks, we can have a direct, grassroots impact on this issue.

This link goes to a post on my site:

http://tinyurl.com/nnq7ga

Please help spread this link across the web. The search traffic is now bringing almost 20 search terms related to "petition against health care bill" to the site.

We netted 350-plus signatures this week. If we can move to the next level of spreading the word in the upcoming weeks, we can make our voices heard.

We can't sit back and let big money Democratic groups swoop in and stir up their activists while we sit and watch.

Please take a personal stake in this campaign and help spread the message to Hagan that we are opposed to the current plans in Congress.

Joe Guarino

Jeff, thanks for the reminder. Everyone who opposes health care reform should sign that petition to deliver a message to our junior senator.

Bubba, unfortunately, Obama has no credibility on this issue. He tried to make it appear that this change would be without consequence.

Stormy, coverage of abortion continues to be an issue.

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