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June 09, 2009

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As regards the employer mandate with a penalty for non-compliance, John McCain several times in the debates tried to get Obama to tell how much the penalty would be, but Obama just smiled. You can bet that the penalty will be severe, it is a non-negotiable for Obama.

Stormy, a very severe penalty would be the only way to assure employers would not dump employees on the public plan; or on the open market with higher insurance rates due to the other provisions being considered.

i'm not going to pretend to know more about this than you do or to have some great solution to the health care crisis. but i think i've mentioned to you before that i was about evenly split between obama and mccain on the issues, and health care was one of the deciding factors for me in this election.

the free market might work well enough for the healthy. but there are plenty of people with serious health issues who fall between the cracks. not poor enough for government-funded health care. not affluent enough to pay for their own health care. not eligible for private insurance (at any cost) because of pre-existing conditions. i know too many people in that situation.

there is no perfect answer to the health care crisis. i'm praying for the "least bad" answer. a solution that would help the most people while hurting the least. i'm trying to remain hopeful.

Michele, I know we disagree on this topic, and in some respects the 2008 election is "water under the bridge".

But I think we should all be concerned that Obama did such a "nice" job of selling his plan last year, seducing people with all the putative benefits while failing to acknowledge in a prominent way all the drawbacks. He conveniently neglected to emphasize the downsides-- the mandates, the magnitude of the tax increases or debt that will be required, the effects on employment, the costs to individuals to employers, the rationing and limitations in access to care. He just forgot to emphasize all these points.

For starters, the immediate losers in Obama's health care program will be: 1) people with serious health problems, 2) the aged, and 3) the young with health defects. If you fall into one of these categories, you life expectancy will be seriously shortened due to rationed health care. Rationing of health care is the only way that can make it happen.

In essence, the people who this program will work well for is the same people that Michelle states benefit from the free market system...the healthy. But, the difference is that they will pay more under Obama's plan than in the current free market system.

We should remember in America today, we have a shortage of health insurance, not health care. Under Obama's plan, we will have no shortage of health insurance, just a shortage of health care.

Here is our future under Obamacare. Just hope that we stay healthy and don't go the way of Randy Stroup.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/americasfuture

Stormy, that is very well phrased. Ordinarily, this would be a very difficult type of legislation to pass because of all the politically touchy, complex, problematic issues. But this year, with the Democrat supermajority in the Senate, and Obama's political support gradually eroding, it is difficult to know what will happen.

Game, set, match if he gets his public lnsurance plan !

"Game, set, match if he gets his public insurance plan !"

As someone who has a professional interest in this, the anecdotal feedback I've gotten from insurance producers so far is that it's time to get out of the individual health care business. The insurance companies themselves are laying low for the time being.

It's the same consensus that formed last year over the butchering of Medicare Advantage by CMS. The full effects of that particular disaster have yet to be felt by our Senior population.

Obamacare will have a similar effect on the rest of the population.

Fred, I agree the whole private system nearly implodes if the public insurance plan passes. The only way to prevent that from happening is to have both employer and individual mandates that are so draconian and severe that none would dare foregoing private insurance.

Bubba, that is interesting information about the way the industry is responding. It would be tragic if the availability of private health insurance to individuals were to become jeopardized.

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